So, Anime You Like Lately

name_here · Post by **name_here** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:37 pm

Longes wrote:
Lord Mistborn wrote:Honestly I feel like ufotable is being a little too faithful to the VN, it feels like this episode could be shorter. But that's a minor quibble because Unlimited Blade works the best route, and if the only problem is that they sticking too close to the VN we're in for an awesome ride.

Also. Rejoice, Joji Nakata's voice will be featured heavily in the next episode.
They are actually expanding on the novel, including characters from Hollow Ataraxia (the three girls that assault Shirou by the dojou).

EDIT: F/S N is the prime example of the fighter problem. The strongest heroes are the mage (Caster), the DR Infinite guy (Berserker) and two people with infinite magic bling (both Archers). Zero Rider is the sad example of tiny men being worthless, unless used against other tiny men.

Uh, no? They don't call Saber the strongest class for nothing, and they also don't call Caster the weakest class for nothing. Shirou is just wildly incompetent at summoning and Caster has a nasty surprise. Zero's Archer is officially the fourth-strongest entity to appear in the meta-setting, behind Crimson Moon (A vampire and avatar of the moon), Primate Murder (A dog-thing with absolute authority over who lives and dies), and Type-Mercury(A gigantic crystal spider avatar of Mercury that does not possess the concept of death). He's got everyone else out-leveled. Also, strictly speaking he's a fighter type who has The Golfbag.

Granted, part of why the class ranking break down the way they do is that every team has a magus on it. The Saber class attribute is magic resistance, and F/SN's Saber has enough of it that she's literally immune to all combat magic. Pretty much everyone who can be summoned as one of the physical classes has at least some magic resistance.

Longes · Post by **Longes** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:20 pm

name_here wrote:
Longes wrote:
Lord Mistborn wrote:Honestly I feel like ufotable is being a little too faithful to the VN, it feels like this episode could be shorter. But that's a minor quibble because Unlimited Blade works the best route, and if the only problem is that they sticking too close to the VN we're in for an awesome ride.

Also. Rejoice, Joji Nakata's voice will be featured heavily in the next episode.
They are actually expanding on the novel, including characters from Hollow Ataraxia (the three girls that assault Shirou by the dojou).

EDIT: F/S N is the prime example of the fighter problem. The strongest heroes are the mage (Medea), the DR Infinite guy (Berserker) and two people with infinite magic bling (both Archers). Zero Rider is the sad example of tiny men being worthless, unless used against other tiny men.
Uh, no? They don't call Saber the strongest class for nothing, and they also don't call Caster the weakest class for nothing. Shirou is just wildly incompetent at summoning and Caster has a nasty surprise. Zero's Archer is officially the fourth-strongest entity to appear in the meta-setting, behind Crimson Moon (A vampire and avatar of the moon), Primate Murder (A dog-thing with absolute authority over who lives and dies), and Type-Mercury(A gigantic crystal spider avatar of Mercury that does not possess the concept of death). He's got everyone else out-leveled. Also, strictly speaking he's a fighter type who has The Golfbag.

Granted, part of why the class ranking break down the way they do is that every team has a magus on it. The Saber class attribute is magic resistance, and F/SN's Saber has enough of it that she's literally immune to all combat magic. Pretty much everyone who can be summoned as one of the physical classes has at least some magic resistance.

I was talking only in the context of F/S N, without going into the rest of nasuverse.

According to the wiki, Gilgamesh has rather average stats. However, he wins every fight because he can beamspam every artifact ever, without even knowing how they work. Archer beats him, because he can beamspam every artifact ever and knows how they work (and inside the UBW he can beamspam faster).

In the Fate route Caster buffs up a mortal to the point where he can fight unarmed with Saber and win. She also summons a Servant of her own, and sets up a city-wide murder field, before being worfed by Gilgamesh.

In the UBW route Caster kidnaps Saber and breaks her contract with Shirou, before being killed by Archer.

In every route Caster is on the offensive, and defines the plot, because she has actual abilities beyond "sword harder".

Mistborn · Post by **Mistborn** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:57 pm

Longes wrote:In every route Caster is on the offensive, and defines the plot, because she has actual abilities beyond "sword harder".

That's a little unfair to the other Servants. Lancer and Archer are both wizards, Rider can summon a Pegasus, and Saber can walk on water and has two different magical ranged attacks. It's only Fake Assassin and Berserker who are straight DMFs.

name_here · Post by **name_here** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:23 pm

Could you guys do people who haven't read the VN the courtesy of hiding spoilers? Specifically, refer to Servants by Series/Class outside of tags until they're named in the new show.

Caster does not define the plot

because in literally every route she gets murdered before the plot moves into endgame. Lancer, Berserker, and Rider matter before she shows up, and Gil/All The Evils Of The World matter after she dies. She is generally the one on the offensive, because Fake Assassin DMFs so hard he can use dimensional manipulation magic for no reason and Servants can only get into her base via the front door. Rule Breaker is pretty sweet and she does buffbot like hell, though.

Gil's statline is fairly average because he's a massive prick who can't be bothered to take much of anyone seriously, with the notable exception of Iskander. But yes, he does fight primarily with the power of owning literally thousands of magical items that the other Servants have like three of tops.

I am also uncertain why you think the capacity to kill people does not translate into being able to advance a plot that is literally entirely about killing people.

Mistborn · Post by **Mistborn** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:36 pm

This week on Fate/stay night there was much rejoicing, also what is it with ufotable and people walking in circles.

Edit:Next week things will be gar to the max

Longes · Post by **Longes** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:54 pm

Lord Mistborn wrote:This week on Fate/stay night there was much rejoicing, also what is it with ufotable and people walking in circles.

Edit:Next week things will be gar to the max

Still waiting for the episode to be released on torrents

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:34 pm

which eipsode is that?

GreatGreyShrike · Post by **GreatGreyShrike** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:22 pm

Ore, Twintails ni Narimasu sounds incredibly shitty in concept, but somehow it's two episodes have each made me pretty much fall over laughing. I was not expecting this to be watchable.

Longes · Post by **Longes** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:10 am

Lord Mistborn wrote:This week on Fate/stay night there was much rejoicing, also what is it with ufotable and people walking in circles.

Edit:Next week things will be gar to the max

Episode 02 is 100% exposition. FFFFUUUU---

Mistborn · Post by **Mistborn** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:09 pm

Longes wrote:
Lord Mistborn wrote:This week on Fate/stay night there was much rejoicing, also what is it with ufotable and people walking in circles.

Edit:Next week things will be gar to the max
Episode 02 is 100% exposition. FFFFUUUU---

Longes · Post by **Longes** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:20 pm

Lord Mistborn wrote:
Longes wrote:
Lord Mistborn wrote:This week on Fate/stay night there was much rejoicing, also what is it with ufotable and people walking in circles.

Edit:Next week things will be gar to the max
Episode 02 is 100% exposition. FFFFUUUU---

I wanted to make a Gilgamesh macro, but I found this guy. This guy...

name_here · Post by **name_here** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:36 pm

Welcome to the Nasuverse, where the magical systems are complex and magi are incapable of shutting the fuck up about them.

Mistborn · Post by **Mistborn** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:35 pm

This week in Fate/Stay Night. Archer actually uses his bow, Saber got an upgrade from the VN, and Illya is still a magical girl.

icyshadowlord · Post by **icyshadowlord** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:36 pm

I see all this talk of Fate Stay Night, and that fills me with joy.

However, I am surprised about the lack of talk concerning Akame ga Kill.

Longes · Post by **Longes** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:14 am

Lord Mistborn wrote:This week in Fate/Stay Night. Archer actually uses his bow, Saber got an upgrade from the VN, and Illya is still a magical girl.

Episode 3 is directed by Michael Bay, judging by all the explosions.

TOZ · Post by **TOZ** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:20 pm

icyshadowlord wrote:However, I am surprised about the lack of talk concerning Akame ga Kill.

Fuck, anyone can die in this one.

MGuy · Post by **MGuy** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:59 am

TOZ wrote:
icyshadowlord wrote:However, I am surprised about the lack of talk concerning Akame ga Kill.
Fuck, anyone can die in this one.

I'm enjoying Akame ga Kill a lot. Almost every episode leaves me wanting to watch the next.

name_here · Post by **name_here** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:57 am

Whee, finally getting to watch Illya magus it up and make everyone else feel inadequate.

Longes · Post by **Longes** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:16 pm

In the last episode of UBW: a shower scene with a loli. Because that's what everyone wanted.

Longes · Post by **Longes** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:32 pm

So, here's something that's bothering me about Fate. Initially a big deal is made out of keeping the Servant's identity hidden, because it will reveal their strengths and weaknesses. However, this rifle never shoots. Lancer is revealed to be Cu Chulain in his first appearance, but no one tries to deal with him by using trickery and hospitality. No one backstabs Saber, or uses some kind of anti-excalibur weapon. Berserker is killed by the big kamehameha, and not by a poisoned arrow.

Mistborn · Post by **Mistborn** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:49 pm

Longes wrote:In the last episode of UBW: a shower scene with a loli. Because that's what everyone wanted.

She got her own spinoff manga, which itself go it's own anime. I suspect there's more demand than there should be. Ufotable is really playing with the fans' hearts here, aren't they?

Anyway this episode Saber goes to school, epic forshadowing, and Rin fights some spooky skeletons.

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:02 am

The Tale of Princess Kaguya is really really really good, y'all should watch it if it's playing

name_here · Post by **name_here** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:07 am

Longes wrote:So, here's something that's bothering me about Fate. Initially a big deal is made out of keeping the Servant's identity hidden, because it will reveal their strengths and weaknesses. However, this rifle never shoots. Lancer is revealed to be Cu Chulain in his first appearance, but no one tries to deal with him by using trickery and hospitality. No one backstabs Saber, or uses some kind of anti-excalibur weapon. Berserker is killed by the big kamehameha, and not by a poisoned arrow.

Actually, people use anti-dragon weapons against Saber on multiple occasions. Most notably during her second-to-last fight in Zero, and it's why Cadabolg gets used on her in particular. There'd be something similar for Lancer, except no one in the fight happens to be from Ulster. Likewise, there's what's upcoming.

As a demigod, Berserker is particularly vunerable to Endiku, which is merely very sturdy when used on mortals but entirely unbreakable when used on gods.

It's also showed up in reverse a lot, where people get surprised by things they'd be expecting if they knew the identities of the Servants.

In Zero, Saber figured her first opponent must only have one spear Noble Phantasm, which is why she spend half the season with a crippled hand. Likewise, Rider's petrifying gaze would be entirely unsurprising if everyone knew she was Medusa

Also, in the Fate/Extra games it's a big deal; at one point the protagonist takes away the sun to weaken an enemy (it's a magical VR thing, so that isn't as impossible as normal).

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:28 am

OgreBattle wrote:The Tale of Princess Kaguya is really really really good, y'all should watch it if it's playing

did you buy that?

DSMatticus · Post by **DSMatticus** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:17 am

TOZ wrote:
icyshadowlord wrote:However, I am surprised about the lack of talk concerning Akame ga Kill.
Fuck, anyone can die in this one.

Really? Because I thought most of the deaths had been massively telegraphed. The only deaths that caught me off guard were [spoilered for spoilers and predictions I'm so confident in they may as well be spoilers from the future, so don't read if you haven't watched or don't want to have my "____ is next" predictions floating around in your head]:

Ieyasu/Sayo, because you can't really know if a show is willing to kill named characters until it does so, and Sheele, because you can't really know if a show is willing to kill named important characters until it does so. Though Sheele had enough "I am about to die" flags raised that I was suspicious. After that it was pretty obvious.

Stupid Hair is the main character's mentor? He is fucking dead.

Miss Makeup shows up, mocks everyone for being too emotionally invested, starts warming up to everyone, gets lovey dovey over main character? She is fucking dead.

Wire Guy confides in main character that he loves Boss Lady? He is fucking dead, and if he isn't, then she is. Just wait. It's going to happen.

Mister Clean Terminator Edition is gradually learning what it means to be human through the power of brofisting. He's going to have some "I do not understand this friendship thing oh wait now I get it" moment and then he is fucking dead. Just wait. It's going to happen.

Actually now that I think about it Boss Lady can't die until Mister Clean Terminator Edition does, and I am almost certain that the deathflags being raised as a result of Wire Guy's confession are due to be cashed, which means Wire Guy is fucked and Boss Lady is safe for at least two more deaths. But after those two are gone, Boss Lady can die at any time. Having subordinates is like a constant deathflag that never goes away.

Tigerbabe, Tsungun, and Papercut are all pretty safe right now. Tigerbabe is safe until she goes from meaningless flirting to potential love interest/protective big sister, at which point she is fucking dead. Tsungun and Papercut are safe until either one becomes a primary love interest (it doesn't matter which), at which point Tsungun is fucking dead. Whether or not Papercut makes it through the series is anyone's guess, but if she dies she is going to be one of the last to do so.

Alternatively, Tsungun is the primary love interest and she really does make it to the end, in which case Akame is not safe but I have no idea what a deathflag for Akame would even begin to look like. Everything about her screams last non-MC standing, especially the part where her name is in the title and she hasn't already died.

If they introduce new Nightraid members again, then they're fucking dead. They are walking onto the stage with deathflags raised.

And of course, everyone on Team Bad Guy is fucking dead. Even the emperor, who is either going to have a "I didn't know I was the bad guy! I don't want to be the bad guy! I'm going to fix eve- nope nevermind minister killed me" moment, or go full sadistic little asshole and actually get killed by Nightraid. The only open question on that end is whether or not Wave dies tragically with the bad guys or dies tragically after defecting to the good guys.